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Given the stories I have been reading about the battle over free speech in the UK, including Facebook posts and the like, with folks being arrested for posting their opinions and such, given that Bootie is a citizen of the UK and the owner of this site, do we have to moderate our views somewhat, especially us Yanks?

THIS IS NOT MEANT TO BE POLITICAL. I AM CONCERNED THAT SOME WISE ASS CRACK I MAKE MIGHT SET OFF SOME TROUBLE WITH THE THOUGHT POLICE FOR SHANE.
 
UK resident here, not sure what Internet media your reading @HOA_KSOP, there is no 'battle over free speech' here in the UK.

The stuff posted here is polite, even when occasionally someone gets political its seriously tame compared to the general global trash and trolling that floats over a huge amount of social media
 
I'm actually curious as to how real the info we (US) are getting regarding just that (UK/EU).
Are there really police arresting people for unpopular political posts?
It is being portrayed that way quite a bit on social media here in the states.
Once again this is just curiosity to help me judge some of the stuff I read about.
 
I'm actually curious as to how real the info we (US) are getting regarding just that (UK/EU).
Are there really police arresting people for unpopular political posts?
It is being portrayed that way quite a bit on social media here in the states.
Once again this is just curiosity to help me judge some of the stuff I read about.
This is the very first I have heard of this. I listen to and read national news services from the UK, Canada and the US and have not heard any instances of this. I do recall some stories about people fearing a new law would lead to this but honestly those fears seemed unfounded and talking about them seemed designed to inflame people rather than be a serious discussion about any danger. Since then I have no heard any one talk about it.

No idea... the world has gone bat-shit crazy. The art of discussion is dead due to people not being able to say what they actually feel for fear of being cancelled or even worse what they say being misconstrued or used against them. Its safer to say nothing and just carry on.
Yeah this timeline sucks in part for some of what you mention. However that's not legal pressure that's societal pressure. What @sspoom and @HOA_KSOP are wonder about is if the state is using it's legal authority to punish people for simple speech. I don't see evidence of that happening in the UK. As I said it is possible I missed it.
 
Many parts of the UK are diverse, both religiously and culturally. People who say this is new, or somehow portray this as the UK being taken over by some religious group need to check their history. We created our own religious authority in 1534 because the pope wouldn’t let our king annul another marriage.

The British Empire was around for nearly 400 years, to think culture and religion went one way is societally naive. The major cities, especially London, are a cultural melting pot and one will see every ethnicity walking around and working. The UK still has a global trade network, the Commonwealth, which has 56 independent countries from across the globe as members, some of which gain citizenship benefits in the UK. Some peoples are even eligible to a political vote. Google it, it’s genuinely interesting what it tries to stand for and do.

There have been laws and legislation to prevent discrimination since the race relations act of 1968. The laws have had multiple updates, the most recent one the Hate Crime legislation which came into force early 2024.

This gave UK courts the ability to impose more severe penalties covering crimes against race, religion, sexual orientation, disability and transgender identity.

This year there have been a number of very violent ‘protests’, which also resulted in a number of riots and injuries. The driver of the protests was illegal immigrants, some of whom had been linked to crimes of sexual assault, and some false online information linking specific individuals to killings.

Certain groups used the opportunity to promote Islamophobic and misogynistic ideologies.

The UK government came down hard on the protesters that were identified, using the updated directives, including people who posted online statements inciting and condoning violence. Children as young as 11 and as old as 81 were involved in the riots, identified and prosecuted. Note that children were caught on camera being encouraged by ‘adults’ to throw bricks at peoples heads.

I haven’t seen the specific or general media that people are referring to, but I’d guess it’s linked to the 2025 riots and subsequent prosecutions. What perhaps isn’t communicated is the simple point, actions have consequences. Even online.

All of this aside. The fact that individuals and groups in the UK are legally allowed and regularly do post, write, protest, and even get paid to communicate diverse opinions that invoke debate from all sides, be they right, left, liberal and everything in between, demonstrates that the UK has a very strong freedom of speech. What is not legal is if someone is inciting others to violence or hate, though hate can be subjective.

Was some of the sentencing severe, yes, overly harsh, potentially, politically motivated, probably. This is still freely debated and discussed in the UK today, both online and in the media.

I don’t mean this to be a political point, I’m just trying to say that internet news should be taken with a very VERY big pinch of salt.
 
After every thing that as been said, Because you are offended doesn't make you or it right..... these uncomfortable days makes it some strange world we live in, when I was a young man the old folk would say it was better in the old days, I would smile, Now I know what they were talking about, 10 out of 10 for the old days ....
 
Hedgehog, you are absolutely right. People get angry when someone espouses views that are opposite to their own, a disagreement of thought if you will, and call it "hate speech" to justify their anger and to justify violence. My father once shared this pearl of wisdom with me. He said, "Son, you better toughen your ass up, because there is always going to be someone that wants to kick it, chew it, or kiss it." What he also taught was that people might say stuff that hurts your feelings or makes you angry, but you need to be tough enough not to cave into the urge to beat the s**t out of them. Clearly, from what we are experiencing in the US these days, fathers stopped teaching the lesson some time ago.
 
@Bootie , this is very quickly going to turn political mate, fair warning.
Ok @DoubleD , sorry mate but I have to push back on you here.

I haven’t seen the specific or general media that people are referring to, but I’d guess it’s linked to the 2025 riots and subsequent prosecutions. What perhaps isn’t communicated is the simple point, actions have consequences. Even online.
Depends who you are. Are you a white English woman who makes a stupid post on facebook about 'burning migrant hotels down'? Jailed for 31 months. Appeal denied.

Are you a Labour councillor calling protesters outside hotels 'disgusting Nazi facists' and calling for their throats to be cut? Nup, gets off scot free.
Remember this video? It was all over mainstream media when it came out, everyone wanted that Cop crucified. Well, when the rest of it came out, that's a different story.
Are you a Muslim thug who assaults Police officers when they try to arrest you for assaulting someone else? Still waiting for that sentence by the way...


In closing, to everyone reading this, if you want the truth or something closer to it: By all means watch the mainstream media of whatever flavour you like, that will give you half the story, then go online and watch alternative media - independent podcasters and suchlike, you'll get a different perspective there.
ALL media, ALL of it, has bias. BBC, Fox, MSNBC, CNN, Sky, independent journalists - whoever you like, they all have bias.
Take whatever you watch or hear with a big grain of salt and keep in mind that you are probably only getting half the story, and then you'll be on the right track.
 
I have been seeing the same stories that Barry has been seeing. A short while ago, there was a news story on tv where a Brit was arrested for simply standing and praying outside an abortion clinic. He had no sign and was not blocking ingress or egress. Simply praying silently.

Now this story was on the “legacy news media.” So the rebuttable presumption is that the reporting is suspect.
 
Of course it's the same old Story. Bad News is good news for the Media and newscasters, touch it up exaggerate a bit and boom you got headlines, we have had some demo in the UK most of it is against the migrants in there rubber boats landing on our shores from France


As mentioned by Stafford this subject could go political, so with that it's my last post on the subject
 
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