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@HOA_KSOP

Yeah there are always those that slip through unnoticed I was just thinking of the typical young shooters who have left clear indicators. Nothing is foolproof

@Josey Wales
What you described won’t work here.
There are too many weapons available already, if someone wants a weapon there are ways to get them outside of legal methods
 
I think you mis-typed the 1st Amendment in connection with installing a howitzer. The 1st Amendment protects freedom of expression (freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of association, freedom of assembly, free press, etc.) I think you meant to refer to the 2nd Amendment, in your howitzer example, which addresses the right to possess a gun.

I feel I should preface my next comments with a disclosure that I am a Strict Constructionalist. So take my views with that grain of salt.


Boy, who put a quarter in Nort?
@Nort

Thanks for that very succinct explanation, much appreciated. And all that for a quarter to boot ...;)

And yes, you're right that was a mis-type on my part and should have read 2nd Amendment.

Thanks again.

Cheers!
 
@Bootie
What he is referring to is a bill that wants private citizens to run background checks when selling to another citizen. Something that would not have prevented any Mass shooting that I am aware of but makes it sound like something is being done. He also doesn’t want armed guards at schools and was just as “passionate” when making that point approximately two years ago. We have more than enough gun laws on record to dramatically curtail murders and violence in general if the courts would just sentence the criminals properly instead of just releasing violent offended for political reasons.
Thanks for clarifying. :)
 
Just looking at the Texas penal code for comparison and you can open carry a handgun without a license providing you are over 21, not a felon, not recently convicted of a misdemeanour and not drunk. However you can open carry a handgun in Texas whilst drunk providing you are either on your own property or on private property with the owners permission to be drunk in charge of a firearm. Sheesh!
In Kansas, we were one of the first states to do open carry and conceal carry without a concealed permit. I see guns on people but only because I know where to look and keep my eyes open. I am not bothered by it, because if some people feel the need I don't begrudge them their right. I have a shotgun and a pistol and those are my home defense weapons. I don't feel threatened enough to carry them on me, even though I do go to some sketchy areas of town on occasion. I also have an investiture sword from Prince Charle's Prince of Wales investiture. That's my last stand weapon.
 
I live in Ohio and have a conceal and carry permit. To get it I had to be subjected to a rigorous background check and my fingerprints are on record with the state.
 
I went to Florida a few years ago and met some friends from the UK, one of the first things they asked for the second time we met on vacation was for me to take them shooting. They had a great time and I taught them about firearm safety beforehand.
 
Except the right to have guns.
We can have firearms, as I said, we just need to meet the sensible criteria laid out in the law.

I’m sorry but any law that states you are allowed to be in charge of a firearm whilst drunk is not worth the paper it’s written on. The lack of respect shown for the firearm here is astounding. It’s certainly not a sensible policy.

As a former soldier in the British army, I can only imagine at what would have happened if I had ever been found drunk in charge of a firearm. I would certainly have been on a charge, perhaps imprisoned, perhaps demoted or even dishonourably discharged. I can say for sure it’s not something that would have been taken lightly.
 
Here’s my “sensible gun regulation” that might actually diminish mass school shooters. Anyone under 21 that wants to buy a weapon needs to have his/her social media presence examined. If they don’t have one that’s a big red flag too.
That’s a genuinely good idea.
 
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The mental health issue stems from the "Melting Pot" nature of the United States.
You have a culture which has been groomed to worship celebrities, sleezeball businesses. These people glue their eyes to their propaganda box all day. Propaganda box divides everyone.
Imagine if the news didn't spout the words "School shooting" over and over and over again. If a child never heard this on their propaganda box, would they ever even think of doing something like that?
 
That’s a genuinely good idea.
That is crazy. Social media is not a government mandated thing, not government regulated, has absolutely nothing to do with this. This is a terrible idea and is exactly why we own guns in the first place around here.
That's something I would expect from CHINA.
 
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@Artkin employers already use social media background checks to screen potential candidates for roles within their organisations.

No social media is not govt. regulated, but that’s a good thing right? You don’t want govt. regulation.
 
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Sure but an employer is completely different than the government. Everything dealing with the government is mandatory, but working isn't.
If you get certain state jobs here (Law enforcement) they'll look at your social media, but you have to give them permission forms first.
 
@Artkin well you’ll have to ask Sspoom how his idea unpacks but it doesn’t need to be the govt. doing the check.

I work with Tesla, a US corporation. As the owner of a UK limited company I have to meet certain Tesla specified criteria before they will sell stock to me. So there’s already a precedent for checks that a vendor has to ensure of its customers in the private sector. As limited companies are treated as legal entities in their own right I don’t really see why this can’t apply between corporations and private individuals.
 
Social media has proven to be an indicator in most if not all mass school shootings since social media became popular. Under 21 want to buy a gun? submit your social media history or wait till you are older to buy a rifle. Social media history is in the public domain for the most part. It doesn’t take a search warrant to look at.
 
Actually on this Texas shooting there is more than meets the eye. The young man passed the background check. However, it is my understanding that his juvenile records were sealed and the background check did not include his juvenile records, which apparently included an arrest for making a terrorist threat involving a gun and making a threat to shoot up a school. If those records were accessible during the background check I think he would not have been sold a gun by a retailer and this situation would have been avoided. That said, and if the news account that reported this is in fact true, the law needs to change background checks to include ALL criminal history, whether as a juvenile or an adult.
 
@Artkin well you’ll have to ask Sspoom how his idea unpacks but it doesn’t need to be the govt. doing the check.

As limited companies are treated as legal entities in their own right I don’t really see why this can’t apply between corporations and private individuals.
It does, to a certain extent, work that way already. In the United States, if you do not own a company and you are an employee, companies tell you you are an employee at will. What that means is they make the rules and if you want to work there, you agree to their terms. It also means they can terminate your employment for any reason or for no reason at all, at any time.
 
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