Valor & Victory
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Well, got through my first little fight in "Market Garden" and want to say I am pleased.
ATM it is a nice little "beer & pretzels" game, but I can see that dramatically changing
when I start to play the much larger fights. So, it looks like it is kind of two games in one.
I'd forgotten how the best part of table top war games was rolling the dice and the
anticipation of what number was coming up. Well, this game has a LOT of die rolling and
you can even turn on the die animation if you like...and I do. As a result I sometimes forget
I'm playing a pc game.
I may have gotten this game and "Lock 'n' Load confused. They are very similar. Other than
some players whining about the die rolls too favorable to the AI there aren't really any problems
with the game that I can see. Yeah, small sample size, but...
This has a lot going for it for the price.
ATM it is a nice little "beer & pretzels" game, but I can see that dramatically changing
when I start to play the much larger fights. So, it looks like it is kind of two games in one.
I'd forgotten how the best part of table top war games was rolling the dice and the
anticipation of what number was coming up. Well, this game has a LOT of die rolling and
you can even turn on the die animation if you like...and I do. As a result I sometimes forget
I'm playing a pc game.
I may have gotten this game and "Lock 'n' Load confused. They are very similar. Other than
some players whining about the die rolls too favorable to the AI there aren't really any problems
with the game that I can see. Yeah, small sample size, but...
This has a lot going for it for the price.
Never was a great fan of either V&V or L'nL. Bit too light for my taste, plus there are some game mechanics that I really dislike.
But if you're looking for an ASL PC game, I highly recommend Second Front.
It's not quite ASL, but neither is it hard to see where they drew inspiration from.
Think of it as Tigers on the Hunt, without the cludgy UI, and sporting a decent AI.
Personally, I'm not wild about the art-style, but that's just personal preference.
Currently it sports the US, Russia and Germany, with a planned expansion for the Brits and the desert.
Single-player only unfortunately (at least for the time being), but it comes with a ton of scenarios, plus people are busy in the Steam workshop converting scenarios, so I don't see any shortage of gaming any time soon.
Current asking price is probably a bit steep though.
So maybe wait for a sale.
But if you're looking for an ASL PC game, I highly recommend Second Front.
It's not quite ASL, but neither is it hard to see where they drew inspiration from.
Think of it as Tigers on the Hunt, without the cludgy UI, and sporting a decent AI.
Personally, I'm not wild about the art-style, but that's just personal preference.
Currently it sports the US, Russia and Germany, with a planned expansion for the Brits and the desert.
Single-player only unfortunately (at least for the time being), but it comes with a ton of scenarios, plus people are busy in the Steam workshop converting scenarios, so I don't see any shortage of gaming any time soon.
Current asking price is probably a bit steep though.
So maybe wait for a sale.
Will go sneak a peek. 
Oh, yeah. I remember this now. Just didn't recall the title.
I am not enamored by the graphic style either. That's a deal breaker for me.
Oh, yeah. I remember this now. Just didn't recall the title.
I am not enamored by the graphic style either. That's a deal breaker for me.
I'm back to playing this and liking what I see.
Pretty easy learning curve but it is absolutely brutal if you make a mistake and leave your men open to op-fire w/o cover.
Anybody else have/playing this? I do have a question.
Pretty easy learning curve but it is absolutely brutal if you make a mistake and leave your men open to op-fire w/o cover.
Anybody else have/playing this? I do have a question.
Not much by way of an AAR.
I'm playing the Arnhem scenarios. There are 6 of them and I assume in increasing size and complexity.
I simply cannot beat scenario #2 as the German side.
Frost's forces are equal in numbers to mine and maybe even a bit larger. The Brits are on defense and are
defending 3 adjacent 2-story building There are woods across the street from the buildings, but if I move
my men into those woods to get ready to fight they will likely get shot to pieces by Allied defensive fire. The
the buildings provide better cover so even if I survive that they have better odds in the subsequent straight
up fire fight.
I have no smoke, arty or AFVs.
I've tried attacking the flanks and the result was better, but not much. I have some squads that have better
range, but there are few hexes I can get to to use it as LOS is restricted. So I can only bring limited fire using
my range advantage. And if I do that I am unable to inflict enough casualties before time expires.
I will not move to the next scenario before I figure this out.
At least for now.
I'm playing the Arnhem scenarios. There are 6 of them and I assume in increasing size and complexity.
I simply cannot beat scenario #2 as the German side.
Frost's forces are equal in numbers to mine and maybe even a bit larger. The Brits are on defense and are
defending 3 adjacent 2-story building There are woods across the street from the buildings, but if I move
my men into those woods to get ready to fight they will likely get shot to pieces by Allied defensive fire. The
the buildings provide better cover so even if I survive that they have better odds in the subsequent straight
up fire fight.
I have no smoke, arty or AFVs.
I've tried attacking the flanks and the result was better, but not much. I have some squads that have better
range, but there are few hexes I can get to to use it as LOS is restricted. So I can only bring limited fire using
my range advantage. And if I do that I am unable to inflict enough casualties before time expires.
I will not move to the next scenario before I figure this out.
At least for now.
Hmm. No joy. Another loss trying to attack the north flank.
Still, did get a platoon into a victory hex and held it for 3 turns before getting overrun.
Will give it one more turn and then move on.
Still, did get a platoon into a victory hex and held it for 3 turns before getting overrun.
Will give it one more turn and then move on.
Watched a few You Tube videos where the players got stomped as the Germans so feel just a little bit better.
I'd say there's a reason the German attack historically failed as they just underestimated the Brit paras' strength.
One guy did win with a novel approach of getting some his forces down the western side of the defenders and
then getting some VERY lucky RGN numbers, taking down the last of the defenders on the last turn, again w/a lucky
die roll for a ugly melee fight.
Several complaints about how unbalanced this scenario so don't feel bad about moving on and fighting a battle
that is a little more entertaining.
Did you guys know you can play this pbem?
Haven't tried it out, but if someone gets the game....
I'd say there's a reason the German attack historically failed as they just underestimated the Brit paras' strength.
One guy did win with a novel approach of getting some his forces down the western side of the defenders and
then getting some VERY lucky RGN numbers, taking down the last of the defenders on the last turn, again w/a lucky
die roll for a ugly melee fight.
Several complaints about how unbalanced this scenario so don't feel bad about moving on and fighting a battle
that is a little more entertaining.
Did you guys know you can play this pbem?
Haven't tried it out, but if someone gets the game....
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Ok then. Moved onto the 3rd scenario and this looks like a lot more fun.
However, it still looks like the defender paras have a numerical advantage. Another superior defending force? Hmm.
I think my German forces are coming into town from the north. They consist of some combined units from the 10th and
11th SS Pz divisions. Counters have that black look goin' for 'em so that's cool.
Germans have 16 inf squads, but the Brits have 24. The Germans do have 4 AFVs including a Tiger I, a Panther and 2 Pz IVs.
I don't believe the Allies have anything that can put holes in the Tiger or the Panther. If I am careful my armor should be able
to win the day. Allies only have a couple of "door knockers" and some inf anti-tank weapons. They do have a couple of Vickers
MGs with a range of 8. This will make it tough on my inf small arms w/only a range of 5-6.
It will probably all come down to the clock which I don't like much, but there it is.
For some reason my app for screen prints doesn't work, nor does the in game hot key for pictures <P>. If anyone figures it out...
However, it still looks like the defender paras have a numerical advantage. Another superior defending force? Hmm.
I think my German forces are coming into town from the north. They consist of some combined units from the 10th and
11th SS Pz divisions. Counters have that black look goin' for 'em so that's cool.
Germans have 16 inf squads, but the Brits have 24. The Germans do have 4 AFVs including a Tiger I, a Panther and 2 Pz IVs.
I don't believe the Allies have anything that can put holes in the Tiger or the Panther. If I am careful my armor should be able
to win the day. Allies only have a couple of "door knockers" and some inf anti-tank weapons. They do have a couple of Vickers
MGs with a range of 8. This will make it tough on my inf small arms w/only a range of 5-6.
It will probably all come down to the clock which I don't like much, but there it is.
For some reason my app for screen prints doesn't work, nor does the in game hot key for pictures <P>. If anyone figures it out...
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Have started a multi-player game with HOA and had what amounted to a me (us) problem.
Got everything set, but at the first screen that claimed to be my turn it listed the opponent as
<montarakid>. Hmm. Of course I/we couldn't advance the game from there. It turns out in
the screen just before that it asks you to login or sign in. I'd been selecting login as I've been
playing on the Slitherine server for a couple of years now and didn't think I needed to sign in.
again. Boy, was I dead wrong about that! After signing in everything proceeded to work just fine.
Soo...remember boys & girls. Sign in please.
The UI is just a little wonky as right in the middle of a player's turn there is a "defensive fire" phase.
This means the game saves, and sends it back to your opponent so they can complete their DF.
That accomplished, the game saves again and sends it back to the first player to complete their
turn. That's the only interruption to the turn sequence as far as I can tell, but it could cause a bit
of a slow down unless one checks their mailbox frequently when playing.
I do see where we can make random scenarios by "buying" units, but have not gone that far yet.
Sounds like a potential tournament in there maybe?
Got everything set, but at the first screen that claimed to be my turn it listed the opponent as
<montarakid>. Hmm. Of course I/we couldn't advance the game from there. It turns out in
the screen just before that it asks you to login or sign in. I'd been selecting login as I've been
playing on the Slitherine server for a couple of years now and didn't think I needed to sign in.
again. Boy, was I dead wrong about that! After signing in everything proceeded to work just fine.
Soo...remember boys & girls. Sign in please.
The UI is just a little wonky as right in the middle of a player's turn there is a "defensive fire" phase.
This means the game saves, and sends it back to your opponent so they can complete their DF.
That accomplished, the game saves again and sends it back to the first player to complete their
turn. That's the only interruption to the turn sequence as far as I can tell, but it could cause a bit
of a slow down unless one checks their mailbox frequently when playing.
I do see where we can make random scenarios by "buying" units, but have not gone that far yet.
Sounds like a potential tournament in there maybe?