Will the Taliban take over in Afghanistan?

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Later this year, the last remaining British and American troops will pull out of Afghanistan. Will the Afghans be able to cope or will the Taliban take over? For The Editors, a programme which sets out to ask challenging questions, I decided to find out.

From the end of this year Afghanistan will be on its own. No matter how bad things get, no American or British government will come back to help.

So once the Afghan national forces are left largely to their own devices, will they be able to cope with the challenge? Or will the Taliban win the war, and control Afghanistan as they did from 1996 to 2001?
Most experts think the chances of an outright Taliban victory are slight.

Interesting news article...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25879217
 
OF coarse the Enemy will win...our govn'ts/corporations don't know how to fight a war. We made a mess there like we did in Iraq, the sad thing is we wasted to many lives there. ( I say one was to many)
I said before we went into either conflict we would lose in the long run, at the time all the war mongers said I was a commie LOL...well the chickens have come home to roust.
 
Hopefully, when the Taliban return to power, they will remember the lessons learned from their last go around, and not allow Jihadists to base in their country. All in all, if the people want the Taliban to run their country, it's none of our business. If the people don't want them in charge, they must take measures to see that it doesn't happen.
 
One has to realize that Islam (Taliban is a sect of) Is not just a religion..it's a way of life, it is law, it is government. One can not limit their form of religion... The Taliban was not wiped off the face of the earth...they will be back. You see our govn'ts only fight from election to election...they fight for their homes, their lives and their country which we invaded. They have all the time in the world, they have no elections to worry about. As soon as we are out...I predict Karzi will have to flee the country or will be hanged/bombed/head sawed off or something within 2 years. It will not be an easy transition back into their old ways but it will happen. He who has the sharpest pointie stick will win.
 
Facman said:
Hopefully, when the Taliban return to power, they will remember the lessons learned from their last go around, and not allow Jihadists to base in their country. All in all, if the people want the Taliban to run their country, it's none of our business. If the people don't want them in charge, they must take measures to see that it doesn't happen.
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The Holy War (Jihad) is like the hadj (pelgrimmage to Mecca) for a "true" muslim: something every musl;im should do. As the taliban consider themselves true muslims, I have no doubt they will shelter Jihadists. They consider themselves to be on a Jihad, so they are just comrades in arms.
 
I´m with Numberz in this!

@Facman:
Hopefully, when the Taliban return to power, they will remember the lessons learned from their last go around, and not allow Jihadists to base in their country. All in all, if the people want the Taliban to run their country, it's none of our business. If the people don't want them in charge, they must take measures to see that it doesn't happen.
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Which lesson would that be? That they are able to hold themselves against USA with the support of the USA? Or that even the so called mightiest nation has to bow before the stubborness of the Taliban? Or that it´s all the same and business legitimates all? Etc. etc.

Greetings :)
 
I ve spent one year there in two tours ( 2006 and 2008) and what i can say is that
situation there is far too complicated for one to make secure predictions.The main
problem for Afghanistan is the lack of national conscience.If you ask a Pashtoun you are a Pashtoun or an Afghan he
ll answer first Pashtoun and then Afghan.The same goes with all other ethnicities(and they are many).
Also if the corrupt level among the officials will remain high the people will go by themselves in joining the Taliban as was the case
when they originally came to power in 96.
 
Which lesson would that be?
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The lesson that if you allow folks to train on your territory, who then go commit mass murder as occurred on 9/11, they stand the chance of getting pounded again. Maybe not the same way we did it this time, but surely cruise missiles and B-52 strikes to name a few motivators. Had they dismantled the Jihadi bases as the world community asked, the Afghan war would not have been necessary.
 
Facman said:
The lesson that if you allow folks to train on your territory, who then go commit mass murder as occurred on 9/11, they stand the chance of getting pounded again. Maybe not the same way we did it this time, but surely cruise missiles and B-52 strikes to name a few motivators. Had they dismantled the Jihadi bases as the world community asked, the Afghan war would not have been necessary.
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The terrorist bases would just pick up and move as most did and start somewhere else. The question is were we successful? Is the world better off today then before we went in? It sure does not seem so.
 
I concur with Bert- it does not seem plausible that the Taliban, who are Jihadist, would not welcome Jihadist just as they did before. I believe they will grow bolder than before 9/11 and why shouldn't they? They will have gained enormous combat experience, they will have a better gauge of Western military capabilities, tactics and greatest of all; they know our limitations strategically and politically. As long as they limit their combat operations to outside of the continental US and continue their infiltration inside American institutions; they should be able to advance Islam throughout the western hemisphere for the next generation.
I would love a solid argument, bulk by evidence, to suggest everything I said is complete mythology.
 
USS Wyoming said:
I concur with Bert- it does not seem plausible that the Taliban, who are Jihadist, would not welcome Jihadist just as they did before. I believe they will grow bolder than before 9/11 and why shouldn't they? They will have gained enormous combat experience, they will have a better gauge of Western military capabilities, tactics and greatest of all; they know our limitations strategically and politically. As long as they limit their combat operations to outside of the continental US and continue their infiltration inside American institutions; they should be able to advance Islam throughout the western hemisphere for the next generation.
I would love a solid argument, bulk by evidence, to suggest everything I said is complete mythology.
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You have to know that for the time being the biggest founders of Jihadists are Qatar and Saudi Arabia which are close US allies,also Taliban the last few years are barely active against Western forces and the strongest affiliates (if not members) of Al Qaeda are Al Nusra front,ISIS and Ansar al Islam.
 
Cargol said:
,also Taliban the last few years are barely active against Western forces
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What do you mean? As far as I know they are pretty active against the Western troops in Afghanistan, aren't they? But also against government forces in Pakistan.

But I don't know how stromg they are after fighting NATO forces in Afghanistan for so many years. Perhaps it has weakened them enough and they are no longer strong enough to conquer the country again.
 
Cargol said:
You have to know that for the time being the biggest founders of Jihadists are Qatar and Saudi Arabia which are close US allies,also Taliban the last few years are barely active against Western forces and the strongest affiliates (if not members) of Al Qaeda are Al Nusra front,ISIS and Ansar al Islam.
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I am glad you said it....and catch this the US and western allies are supplying Al Nusra etc with weapons in Syria. Now if that does not show western countries are F$%^ed up I don't know what does.
I have great respect for all you guys that have fought for your countries and all...but one has to realize this is not the case. Corporation run the show now...they pull the strings of the politicians. If one now fights as in our last two wars Iraq and Afghanistan you are fighting not for your countries any longer. You might think so and believe what you will it doesnot change the reality of the situation.
 
Bert Blitzkrieg said:
What do you mean? As far as I know they are pretty active against the Western troops in Afghanistan, aren't they? But also against government forces in Pakistan.

But I don't know how stromg they are after fighting NATO forces in Afghanistan for so many years. Perhaps it has weakened them enough and they are no longer strong enough to conquer the country again.
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If you want to see how active they are try to compare NATO or US casualties this year and lets say 2010-11,in the Web there are many sites with statistics like that.
Also in Pakistan what you are talking about is the so called Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) which is inhabitted mainly by Pashtuns which are not so happy as they ve lost their autonomy due to the fighting in Afghanistan and this is why they are attacking Pakistan forces.
Taliban was a movement of Pashtuns living in Afghanistan and the birthplace of this movement was Kandahar nothing to do with FATA.
 
I have no disagreement about Saudi and Qatar as far as funding, there's no argument there. Maybe our non-American members could enlighten us as to who is the most commonly identified Islamic combatant in their respective news reports-either newspaper or television? I ask the same of my American colleagues-would you agree or disagree that the Taliban is the group most often cited in American media as our most active combatants? it doesn't matter if its a fact because once the US is out and Islamic fundamentalist are in charge again, the Taliban will be declared the conquerors and zealots will flock to their banner.

As for American involvement in Syrian war-there is no public involvement. You have not seen a single broad-based public opinion poll on American involvement in Syria because there is no support for aid to Syria at any level-humanitarian or otherwise. Any kind of involvement in Syria is only whispered in Washington. There is no news being reported on Syria unless its a press release by Putin picked up by Reuters or AP.
 
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