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Did some brief (and nerdy) research on Grenadiers. :geek:

A Grenadier was a special role from the 1600's.
They were trained in the use of grenades, assaults and sieges.
The word grenade is of Spanish origin; 'granado' which is a pomegranate, the size of the early grenades.

These guys had to carry big bags of cast iron grenades, which were lit using a tool that contained burning rope to light the fuse.
They had to be physically strong to throw the grenades far enough, and assault, so only big, strong guys were employed in the role.

They were considered heavy, elite troops, and to show this and make them more imposing during assaults, they had very tall hats, and some were encouraged to grow huge moustaches.

Grenadiers started attaching slings to their muskets so they could quickly shoulder it to throw grenades (the origin of rifle slings?).
They were sometimes armed with swords and sometimes axes to help hack down defences.
For a time the British army had grenadier cavalry (not long...maybe the horses were skittish near exploding grenades?).
Grenadiers were eventually organised into their own dedicated companies, battalions and even regiments.

From what I can tell, in WW2 German infantry units were originally called 'Schützen'.
Schütze means 'one who shoots', and was used for ordinary rifleman.

Then in 1942, Germany's motorised infantry were renamed Panzer Grenadiers, and their infantry were renamed Grenadiers.
The reason appears to be purely propaganda and bravado, because historically Grenadiers were the big, tough specialist troops.
No real change to equipment, training or organisation - just the name.

I wonder if the Soviet and UK 'Guards' divisions were named arbitrarily for the same reasons. Maybe some.
Would units that were named 'Grenadier Guards' be doubly effective? :sneaky:

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As a side note, Fusiliers were troops that were given advanced weaponry (such as 'fusils' a new type of flintlock musket in the 17th century).
One of the roles they performed was guarding and escorting field artillery guns - because they were less likely than matchlock muskets to accidentally ignite open barrels of gunpowder!
 
Then in 1942, Germany's motorised infantry were renamed Panzer Grenadiers, and their infantry were renamed Grenadiers.
The reason appears to be purely propaganda and bravado, because historically Grenadiers were the big, tough specialist troops.
No real change to equipment, training or organisation - just the name.

I believe the Panzergrenadiere were given special training in cooperation with tanks though?
 
As did the original motorised infantry with the Panzer Divisions.

It was in effect just a name change ... not much changed in their role or equipment.

You could say the name change made their name fit better with the job they actually did though.
 
I recently bought a company of Fusiliers in one of my games, they appear to be quite similar to Aufklarungs(sp?) or recon troops which quite surprised me.
 
I think what happened was that originally, there was something called motorised infantry, which was just that - infantry with trucks.

Then tanks come along, and they start making tank divisions that include tanks and motorised infantry.

Then some years pass and there's a rapid developent of combined arms warfare.

Eventually, those motorised infantry have changed their tactics a lot, but they are still just called motorised infantry. So they change the name to reflect the changes that have already taken place.
 
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I wonder if the Soviet and UK 'Guards' divisions were named arbitrarily for the same reasons. Maybe some.
Would units that were named 'Grenadier Guards' be doubly effective? :sneaky:
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Off the top of my head, I recollect that the original Soviet "Guards" units were those which had performed well in combat; an honorific recognition to both raise morale and set example for others. I thought a UK "Guards" division was one mostly comprised of actual royal household Guards regiments.

Could someone else confirm or deny? o_O
 
I recently bought a company of Fusiliers in one of my games, they appear to be quite similar to Aufklarungs(sp?) or recon troops which quite surprised me.
I had a quick read about füsiliers while having a coffee this morning.
In general, they seem to be considered a kind of elite, light infantry skirmisher.

In WW2, Germany's use of the title is confusing.
Some state that it was purely an honourific title, linking them to past traditions.
Some füsiliers appear to fill the role of light recon similar to aufklärung (some were even bicycle troops).
Mid-war many German divisions were restructured and now included a füsilier battalion.
These units were used in the recon role, as an advance force, and as a reserve.

In Combat Mission, German füsiliers are armed with several automatic weapons, including the Sturmgewehr-44 assault rifle.
Being issued 'advanced' weapons fits the style of the early füsilier units (fusil muskets).

The unit title 'Jäger' (meaning hunter) is another one to explore.
 
Going back to my game, turns out I bought a bit more than a company of them - I've got a whole battalion!

The squads are a bit unusual, only nine men but every squad has binos, 2x rifle grenades, 2x MP40s and 1x MG42. Panzerfausts, G43s, and 98k snipers are very common but MP44s are quite rare.

I decided to go ahead and play the game anyway because what the hell, we're not playing for sheepstations! :LOL:
 
My research long years ago told me Grenadiere were heavy elite infantry with grenades. They not even had to have rifles. In the early stages of their development they were equipped with grenades as "main" weapon and pistols and daggers/axes for close combat and selfdefense as for destruction of obstacles. Füsiliere were light infantry who even could be on horse back. Their main concept was the swift actions to use a surprising success and strengthen it or to produce a surprise if needed (for example a speedy flanking of an over confident enemy or similars). Jäger were light infantry with special tactics - today one would probably say guerilla tactics (as measured by their times) or an asymmetric warfare. They didn´t attack or fight in lines as the common infantry. They were proved and veteran hunters in the civil life. They were able to interprete footprints of man and deer. They were used to a life in wilderness and forest. In Germany, as I explained in one of my other posts somewhere at FGM, the Grendiers were always seen as an elite in itself - it was an honourific title. To the start of WW II at latest the line between Schützen (Riflemen) and Grenadieren (Grenadiers) was fluid. But to give expression to the elite thought of the german infantry, the Wehrmacht as as a whole, and since explosive weapons were now a common equipment all riflemen units were renamed in grenadiers units. To the end of WW II one tried the same trick again to raise the morale of the units what consisted now of battered combat veterans and green civilists and named them Volksgrenadiere. To Füsiliere is yet to say, at least so far as I remember it, their name is always connected with "füsilieren" (shoot dead convicts). Light infantry had the task to secure conquered areas and places. That often was only to realise if one shot civilians or "Freischärler" (Franctireurs) who fought on their own even if the official army had retreated or were beaten.

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Interesting post @Sempai. I haven't read any articles about Jägers, but I'm now picturing them as roving bands of outdoorsmen, ambushing supplies, sabotaging, and tracking down other saboteurs.
I wonder if their roles and organisation changed during WW2.

Another interesting thing I read about Grenadiers is that in the early days they were regarded as a kind of sapper...combat engineers.
When they came into being there were many sieges of fortifications in the wars they were having.

They would be the first guys into a breach (a breach probably made by cannon fire) and they would force access through the breach by throwing their grenades and chopping away wooden barricades.
I read that they were also used to push into a breach made in enemy lines, and even to clear trenches.

P.S. All those fancy uniforms from the 17th/18th century seem really impractical.
Imagine having to maintain it in the field. The soldiers' doctrine probably had them standing and walking towards the enemy. You wouldn't want to crawl through the mud in that gear!
In time, armies started to use green uniforms for their skirmishers, to make them less noticeable - and the age of camouflaged uniforms began.
(I first read that in Total War Empires when I got access to the English army's Greenjackets - who said games weren't educational!) :D
 
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Off the top of my head, I recollect that the original Soviet "Guards" units were those which had performed well in combat; an honorific recognition to both raise morale and set example for others. I thought a UK "Guards" division was one mostly comprised of actual royal household Guards regiments.

Could someone else confirm or deny? o_O


That's correct.
 
I always thought the extravagant uniforms of napoleon times looked not only impractical but quite foppish and frankly a bit ridiculous. I guess a lot of it had to do with projecting the wealth and power of the king when doing drills, which was a really important thing back then.
 
I always thought the extravagant uniforms of napoleon times looked not only impractical but quite foppish and frankly a bit ridiculous. I guess a lot of it had to do with projecting the wealth and power of the king when doing drills, which was a really important thing back then.

My guess also there was probably a bit of a difference between "parade ground" turnout and "on campaign"look to things... but yes, much of the uniforms looked impractical...
 
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