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Lord Bane (FGM)
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TAZE HIM!!!
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Wigam
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Right OC spray used, but as you may have joked LB, they should have tased him. But from what I understand the UK boys don't carry taser as common place.
The thing with OC spray is that it is a great tool but will not work on 14 % of the population here in NZ. It will just flat out not work.
We have had tasers now for just over a year and I would go to my taser before I went to OC spray. As an instructor on firearms and on hand to hand combat and the taser, I think it is the best tool on our belt.
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1. OC spray does not work on 14 % population.
2. OC spray requires up to 45 minutes aftercare when applied to an offender.
3. It effects the officer as much as the offender most of the time (its airborne isn't it
) See how it affected the bald headed Bootie looking cop. lol.
4. The reapplication of more OC spray will not help sub-do him more.
5. Taser will get my offender every time I pull the trigger and I can pull the trigger over 2000 times on a fully charged taser.
I could carry on but you get my point.
The thing with OC spray is that it is a great tool but will not work on 14 % of the population here in NZ. It will just flat out not work.
We have had tasers now for just over a year and I would go to my taser before I went to OC spray. As an instructor on firearms and on hand to hand combat and the taser, I think it is the best tool on our belt.
Reason:
1. OC spray does not work on 14 % population.
2. OC spray requires up to 45 minutes aftercare when applied to an offender.
3. It effects the officer as much as the offender most of the time (its airborne isn't it
) See how it affected the bald headed Bootie looking cop. lol.4. The reapplication of more OC spray will not help sub-do him more.
5. Taser will get my offender every time I pull the trigger and I can pull the trigger over 2000 times on a fully charged taser.
I could carry on but you get my point.
Like you Wigam our police should have Tazer's as standard Equipment, The Uk I believe we are just plain bloody stupid when it comes to crime, if you haven't got any thing to hide you don't go round brawling with the police and if you have, Tazer the Ba***ed's
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I feel for your boys Hedgehog. We have a few ex UK cops here in my home town and from what they tell me and from what I see on tele of thew UK, I am utterly amazed that you aren't armed with firearms as common place or at the least tasers. We have had a bad run on NZ Police officers being killed and seriously injured in the line of duty and the full time arming debate is really big. Australia is armed full time and they have not had a police officer killed in the line of duty in over 10 years.
So for us to be on the verge of arming and your poor boys not, I feel for them.
So for us to be on the verge of arming and your poor boys not, I feel for them.
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The Brit governments approach is- "But if we arm our police, criminals will arm themselves too".
The Brit police have tazers which are okay, but I wonder why they don't have easier-to-handle electric cattle prods instead.
The Brit police have tazers which are okay, but I wonder why they don't have easier-to-handle electric cattle prods instead.
In California Tazers have been in wide use for some time. The problem arises when our cops have to use it on some nut job so drugged up it has little/no effect. This happens more often than you might believe.
Of course, the next problem is the suspect is so drugged up that after being tazed he is susceptible to becoming dead shortly thereafter. While there is no real evidence that Tazers are the direct cause in such instances (and less likely to cause said death than a 9mm) plaintiff attorneys can pretty much depend on a healthy pay-off in cases involving death, regardless as to the degree of actual liability.
Extensive and continuous training is needed for the officers in their use as some (here) like to fire it off for little reason and others just don't now when to quit. There should be an immunity to lawsuits if their use during an arrest can be shown to have been "reasonable." It is a defense, but an immunity would be better for law enforcement. Right, Nort?
Of course, the next problem is the suspect is so drugged up that after being tazed he is susceptible to becoming dead shortly thereafter. While there is no real evidence that Tazers are the direct cause in such instances (and less likely to cause said death than a 9mm) plaintiff attorneys can pretty much depend on a healthy pay-off in cases involving death, regardless as to the degree of actual liability.
Extensive and continuous training is needed for the officers in their use as some (here) like to fire it off for little reason and others just don't now when to quit. There should be an immunity to lawsuits if their use during an arrest can be shown to have been "reasonable." It is a defense, but an immunity would be better for law enforcement. Right, Nort?
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Lord Bane (FGM)
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Wait, what was the problem again??:amen:
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Ratzki
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We have Tazers here in Canada, but thank goodness that there are "concerned do-gooders" out there that are thinking of the effects that a tazer can have on the criminal. We have had a few deaths from tazers, you know we can't be too tough on the criminals, they have rights. So thankfully these concerned citizens are trying to get the tazers removed from the cop's arsenal, the other day a police officer had to shoot a criminal with his 9mm, he did not have a tazer, thank God, who knows what kind of damage a tazer could have done. I hope they ban all tazers here, 9mm bullets are cheaper.
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Wigam
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The deaths relates to the using of a taser on a person who is using drugs is not to do with the taser but a condition that they are under is called "Excited Delirium" . Yaah triple word score.
Excited Delirium
Imagine the brain is like a chemist, it holds all the best drugs in the world. It gives you a drug when your happy, that good feeling you have when your so happy, that scared feeling you have when you ****ting yourself, that dose of adrenaline when you are hyped up and a list of other little chemicals you get from you brain when you feel something.
ED is when the brain is buggered on drugs and the brain releases all the drugs in the chemist and floods the body. The body can't handle all the chemicals at once and start to cook itself. Anyone suffering from ED is on a count down to death and needs medical treatment sooner rather than later. You can get it to them sooner rather than later with the help of a taser.
From what I have read and taught to my fellow officers is that the use of a Taser does not effect them like a hand to hand struggle would. The continued fighting allows more of the stuff to wash through their system when it is released along with adrenalin where a subject could more than likely be detained and given medical treatment if sub doed with a taser. There are always people for something and people against, it was the same with OC spray but now it Taser.
Ratzki's right. 9 mm hollow point rounds are far cheaper.
Excited Delirium
Imagine the brain is like a chemist, it holds all the best drugs in the world. It gives you a drug when your happy, that good feeling you have when your so happy, that scared feeling you have when you ****ting yourself, that dose of adrenaline when you are hyped up and a list of other little chemicals you get from you brain when you feel something.
ED is when the brain is buggered on drugs and the brain releases all the drugs in the chemist and floods the body. The body can't handle all the chemicals at once and start to cook itself. Anyone suffering from ED is on a count down to death and needs medical treatment sooner rather than later. You can get it to them sooner rather than later with the help of a taser.
From what I have read and taught to my fellow officers is that the use of a Taser does not effect them like a hand to hand struggle would. The continued fighting allows more of the stuff to wash through their system when it is released along with adrenalin where a subject could more than likely be detained and given medical treatment if sub doed with a taser. There are always people for something and people against, it was the same with OC spray but now it Taser.
Ratzki's right. 9 mm hollow point rounds are far cheaper.
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Jonny
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Now I think cops should have the tazer, however I think especially in america they are used far too often.
I've seen several videos now of people being tased while already restrained and even in handcuffs! I don't know how anyone can justify that. I think they should only be used if the cop feels he is in danger not just to make restraining a suspect easier
For example, this guy was tased for asking a question at a politcal rally, real constitutional
I've seen several videos now of people being tased while already restrained and even in handcuffs! I don't know how anyone can justify that. I think they should only be used if the cop feels he is in danger not just to make restraining a suspect easier
For example, this guy was tased for asking a question at a politcal rally, real constitutional
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Lord Bane (FGM)
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LMAO..that is the classic "Don't tase me Bro!" footage. That kid was posing questions to John Kerry that he apparently did not like. So he sicked his goons on him. What else would you expect from far left liberals.
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Lol, so the police are john kerry's "goons"? And you say that after Kerry clearly states as the cops go to restrain him "no its alright, let me answer the question"
Mind you, I should have expected a far right winger to be totally ignorant of the facts
Mind you, I should have expected a far right winger to be totally ignorant of the facts
Poor excuse by the UK government Hey POS criminals are armed most of the time, if it's not guns it's knives The police shoudn't have to risk there lives against Scum
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Good point there Hedgehog, Police all over the world are not there to be targets for crims.
I do think there are too many examples of police over the world using the Taser in a non authorized way, makes us all look bad. Like you say, some one who is hand cuffed ?? WTF ! We are very restricted here when we can use it, we must fear being grievously assaulted, we can't use it to gain compliance like some US police departments can.
I do think there are too many examples of police over the world using the Taser in a non authorized way, makes us all look bad. Like you say, some one who is hand cuffed ?? WTF ! We are very restricted here when we can use it, we must fear being grievously assaulted, we can't use it to gain compliance like some US police departments can.