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Assessing the Russian Military Campaign in Ukraine (so far)

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I honestly cant see how Ukraine can hope to win this war. :(
@Bootie

And we should be surprised when we see headlines like this from the establishments paper of record.

U.S. Lacks a Clear Picture of Ukraine’s War Strategy, Officials Say​

Intelligence agencies know far more about Russia’s military, even as the United States ships billions of dollars in weapons to the Ukrainians.


So in effect the US shipped billions of taxpayers money without a clear idea of anything. These are the people they are counting on to help UDK win the war. Lord help them.

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Certainly treading a fine line between assisting a beleaguered nation and partaking in a proxy war.

Do the nations assisting really care about Ukraine or are they happy to instigate economic warfare on Russia and to provide the hardware to a 3rd party to diminish the military capability of said country?
 
Just saw this. I found the mod on the BFC forum. Pitbull's Russian mods posted by boygarvin. Link is below.

 
Certainly treading a fine line between assisting a beleaguered nation and partaking in a proxy war.

Do the nations assisting really care about Ukraine or are they happy to instigate economic warfare on Russia and to provide the hardware to a 3rd party to diminish the military capability of said country?

Sorry, do you mean that US was not providing the Taliban with weapons and money for their love of democracy and Christian values?
 
Certainly treading a fine line between assisting a beleaguered nation and partaking in a proxy war.

Do the nations assisting really care about Ukraine or are they happy to instigate economic warfare on Russia and to provide the hardware to a 3rd party to diminish the military capability of said country?
Like I said in the beginning, neither Russia nor the West gives two hoots about Ukraine. We even had a congressman state that he was more than willing to keep pumping money into Ukraine because it wears down the Russian military without costing American lives.
 
Below is an article posted on Twitter by ChrisO on May 31, 2022 that details some of the corruption in the armed forces of The Russian Federation. Its demoralizing just reading it. I can't imagine being 18 and having to serve in the described conditions. IMO it explains some of the reasons why Russia is having so many difficulties with its invasion of Ukraine. On the morning of the invasion who would have thought the Russian Federation would be forced to retreat from the outskirts of Kyiv. The article makes the retreat a little more understandable. Below are parts of the article. The entire article (series of tweets) with more photos can be found on Twitter. I'll attempt to create a link at the end.

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Old rations, faulty vehicles, missing radios, under-strength units: corruption has been blamed for hollowing out Russia's military and undermining its war in Ukraine. It's worth examining this problem and seeing how it's affected the Russian armed forces.

Russia is one of the world's most corrupt countries - Transparency International (TI) rates it 136th of 180 countries. State corruption is endemic. TI found that between 2008 and 2020, current and former Russian officials owned 28,000 properties in 85 countries. Like every other state institution in Russia, the armed forces are riddled with corruption at every level. This is nothing new: in his 1854 Sevastopol Sketches, Tolstoy wrote of Russian officers: "While they are in the service their main aim is the acquisition of money."

In 1998, Russia's Prosecutor General called the Russian Armed Forces "the most corrupt government structure in Russia". If anything, it's got worse since then. Corruption starts even before someone joins the military. Only the poor or the stupid allow themselves to be conscripted. The rest get out of it by bribing a doctor or recruiting officer. The 'fee' was reportedly between $5,000-$10,000 in 2007. Up to 70% of those summoned for conscription buy their way out of it, leaving the armed forces with the poorest and least healthy. This leaves the Russian military with chronic problems of fitness and efficiency.

If you get conscripted, you'll be treated as the lowest of the low and exploited ruthlessly by older soldiers, known as 'dyedi' ('uncles'). This could include being forced into prostitution, doing unpaid labor, or even selling your own blood to earn a few rubles. In 2007, conscripts in St Petersburg told Russian media how older soldiers forced them to perform sexual services for influential middle-aged clients or face torture. Young soldiers were reportedly forced to go with clients in their cars. The dyedi kept a list of 'providers'.

If you're a contract soldier - a military professional - you're a step up but are still exploited. Salaries are low ($240 monthly before the Ukraine war). You may well need to buy your own uniforms, boots and fuel. Newer uniforms and boots of the right size are often unavailable because they've been stolen and sold off, so you'll need to purchase them online. Ironically, ex-NATO surplus boots are reportedly favorites for their comfort and durability. There are, however, compensations to being a low-ranking soldier or junior officer - you may be posted to a military depot. These offer endless opportunities for theft. Avito, Russia's equivalent of eBay, is full of adverts for likely stolen items of military equipment.

Let's move up to the mid-ranking officers. Life is a lot cushier at this level as you can sign contracts, command troops and oversee bases. There are a lot more opportunities for corruption at ranks from major through colonel. Your perks may include using conscripts to build your dacha, or hiring them out to others to work in building sites, fields or factories. Naturally, the conscripts get no compensation for this work. You also have the possibility of stealing your men's wages. Or manipulating budget allocations to claim money for non-existent extra personnel and pocket the difference. Non-existent troops are known as 'dead souls'. Dead souls' are nothing new. In 1854, the Economist newspaper noted how much the Russian forces in the Crimean War were under strength. "The Russian armies are often armies on paper only.

"The colonels and officers have a direct interest in having as large a number on the books and as small a number on the field as possible - inasmuch as they pocket the pay and rations of the difference between these figures."

Figures leaked to Novye Izvestia newspaper in 2003 indicated that there were at least 30,000 "dead souls" in the armed forces. The 2012 case of Col Sergey Ustinov and Maj Hovik Babayan, two Eastern Military District officers, illustrates how this scam works. Babayan was responsible for providing food services to troops under Ustinov's command. He forged documents, signed by Ustinov, showing 29,000 more soldiers were being fed than actually existed. The pair pocketed 6 million rubles for feeding the surplus 'dead souls'.

Researchers estimate that as many as one in ten Russian officers are corrupt. Military procurement is particularly rife with corruption. Let's first consider the case of Colonel Sergei Serkin, formerly the chief provisions officer for the North Caucasus Military District. In only two years in his position, Col Serkin acquired several apartments, a house and an Audi car with a total value of about $200,000. One of his schemes was accepting bribes to purchase 3,500 tons of low-quality codfish, normally used as cattle food, for army rations.
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SLAVA UKRAINI!!!

From Twitter: Kira Nechay has begun volunteering in 2014. Since then, she trained as a paramedic and tactical medicine instructor. When the war began, she joined "Hospitaliers" - volunteer medical battallion. Kira works in the East, helping people with evacuation and giving first aid.

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Below is an article posted on Twitter by ChrisO on May 31, 2022 that details some of the corruption in the armed forces of The Russian Federation. Its demoralizing just reading it. I can't imagine being 18 and having to serve in the described conditions. IMO it explains some of the reasons why Russia is having so many difficulties with its invasion of Ukraine. On the morning of the invasion who would have thought the Russian Federation would be forced to retreat from the outskirts of Kyiv. The article makes the retreat a little more understandable. Below are parts of the article. The entire article (series of tweets) with more photos can be found on Twitter. I'll attempt to create a link at the end.

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Old rations, faulty vehicles, missing radios, under-strength units: corruption has been blamed for hollowing out Russia's military and undermining its war in Ukraine. It's worth examining this problem and seeing how it's affected the Russian armed forces.

Russia is one of the world's most corrupt countries - Transparency International (TI) rates it 136th of 180 countries. State corruption is endemic. TI found that between 2008 and 2020, current and former Russian officials owned 28,000 properties in 85 countries. Like every other state institution in Russia, the armed forces are riddled with corruption at every level. This is nothing new: in his 1854 Sevastopol Sketches, Tolstoy wrote of Russian officers: "While they are in the service their main aim is the acquisition of money."

In 1998, Russia's Prosecutor General called the Russian Armed Forces "the most corrupt government structure in Russia". If anything, it's got worse since then. Corruption starts even before someone joins the military. Only the poor or the stupid allow themselves to be conscripted. The rest get out of it by bribing a doctor or recruiting officer. The 'fee' was reportedly between $5,000-$10,000 in 2007. Up to 70% of those summoned for conscription buy their way out of it, leaving the armed forces with the poorest and least healthy. This leaves the Russian military with chronic problems of fitness and efficiency.

If you get conscripted, you'll be treated as the lowest of the low and exploited ruthlessly by older soldiers, known as 'dyedi' ('uncles'). This could include being forced into prostitution, doing unpaid labor, or even selling your own blood to earn a few rubles. In 2007, conscripts in St Petersburg told Russian media how older soldiers forced them to perform sexual services for influential middle-aged clients or face torture. Young soldiers were reportedly forced to go with clients in their cars. The dyedi kept a list of 'providers'.

If you're a contract soldier - a military professional - you're a step up but are still exploited. Salaries are low ($240 monthly before the Ukraine war). You may well need to buy your own uniforms, boots and fuel. Newer uniforms and boots of the right size are often unavailable because they've been stolen and sold off, so you'll need to purchase them online. Ironically, ex-NATO surplus boots are reportedly favorites for their comfort and durability. There are, however, compensations to being a low-ranking soldier or junior officer - you may be posted to a military depot. These offer endless opportunities for theft. Avito, Russia's equivalent of eBay, is full of adverts for likely stolen items of military equipment.

Let's move up to the mid-ranking officers. Life is a lot cushier at this level as you can sign contracts, command troops and oversee bases. There are a lot more opportunities for corruption at ranks from major through colonel. Your perks may include using conscripts to build your dacha, or hiring them out to others to work in building sites, fields or factories. Naturally, the conscripts get no compensation for this work. You also have the possibility of stealing your men's wages. Or manipulating budget allocations to claim money for non-existent extra personnel and pocket the difference. Non-existent troops are known as 'dead souls'. Dead souls' are nothing new. In 1854, the Economist newspaper noted how much the Russian forces in the Crimean War were under strength. "The Russian armies are often armies on paper only.

"The colonels and officers have a direct interest in having as large a number on the books and as small a number on the field as possible - inasmuch as they pocket the pay and rations of the difference between these figures."

Figures leaked to Novye Izvestia newspaper in 2003 indicated that there were at least 30,000 "dead souls" in the armed forces. The 2012 case of Col Sergey Ustinov and Maj Hovik Babayan, two Eastern Military District officers, illustrates how this scam works. Babayan was responsible for providing food services to troops under Ustinov's command. He forged documents, signed by Ustinov, showing 29,000 more soldiers were being fed than actually existed. The pair pocketed 6 million rubles for feeding the surplus 'dead souls'.

Researchers estimate that as many as one in ten Russian officers are corrupt. Military procurement is particularly rife with corruption. Let's first consider the case of Colonel Sergei Serkin, formerly the chief provisions officer for the North Caucasus Military District. In only two years in his position, Col Serkin acquired several apartments, a house and an Audi car with a total value of about $200,000. One of his schemes was accepting bribes to purchase 3,500 tons of low-quality codfish, normally used as cattle food, for army rations.
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@MOS:96B2P

Corruption appears to be endemic to that part of the world and impacts both sides in this conflict.



Cheers !
 
@MOS:96B2P

Corruption appears to be endemic to that part of the world and impacts both sides in this conflict.



Cheers !
True. This war helps to demonstrates how much worse corruption is in The Russian Federation as compared to Ukraine. Before the war Ukraine was in the process of attempting to clean up their corruption. IMO defeating the Russian spearhead at the outskirts of Kyiv demonstrates, to some extent, the success of Ukrainian reforms. Systemic corruption appears to be embraced in Russia and is having more of a negative impact on the Russian military. The Russian Federation with a much larger military, landmass and population was forced to retreat from Kyiv, was pushed back from Kharkiv, had the flagship of their Black Sea fleet sunk etc. In fact some speculate that Ukraine's democratization and efforts to fight graft, cronyism and corruption on Russia's border was a threat to Putin's style of government. IMO Putin continued rule is threatened by corruption and put under sever strain by the poor showing of the Russian military in the war with Ukraine.

Below is an article detailing many of the ongoing reforms in Ukraine.

Some quotes from the article:
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In 2015-16 the Ukrainian government opened state databases, including real estate, vehicle, land, and company registries. Public procurement was transferred to the online system ProZorro (which means “transparent” in English)

Public servants must submit asset declarations. They must report their and their family members’ incomes, assets, real estate, valuable property, corporate rights, beneficial ownership of companies, bank accounts, art, fur coats—and even hard cash stocked in closets or deposit boxes.

Digitization in the city-planning and construction industry alone helps to save around $110 million annually, which previously had gone into the pockets of corrupt officials.

Launched in 2015, the law enforcement body National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU) has already made enemies by sending 325 indictments to court.

Nevertheless, Ukraine’s unreformed courts are still a threat.
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Ukraine still has anti-corruption work to do but is way ahead of the Russian Federation.

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True. This war helps to demonstrates how much worse corruption is in The Russian Federation as compared to Ukraine. Before the war Ukraine was in the process of attempting to clean up their corruption. IMO defeating the Russian spearhead at the outskirts of Kyiv demonstrates, to some extent, the success of Ukrainian reforms. Systemic corruption appears to be embraced in Russia and is having more of a negative impact on the Russian military. The Russian Federation with a much larger military, landmass and population was forced to retreat from Kyiv, was pushed back from Kharkiv, had the flagship of their Black Sea fleet sunk etc. In fact some speculate that Ukraine's democratization and efforts to fight graft, cronyism and corruption on Russia's border was a threat to Putin's style of government. IMO Putin continued rule is threatened by corruption and put under sever strain by the poor showing of the Russian military in the war with Ukraine.
@MOS:96B2P

I’m sorry but I’m not sure that I follow or can subscribe to your suggestion that the examples sited demonstrate anything at all regarding the comparative corruption between the two countries and each others relative success in their attempts to fight it. Particularly as it only speaks to one’s sides reform efforts. That's like only getting one side's score in a baseball game.

I do acknowledge that based on most indexes one can find on-line Russia does regularly rank slightly worse than Ukraine on the who’s who list of most corrupt countries, but then again, isn’t that something akin to pointing out that as far as corrupt gangsters go, Chicago’s Al Capone was somehow way better than New York’s Dutch Schultz. At the end of the day, you’re not likely to want to invite either of them to your sister’s wedding.

And insofar, as the impact this corruption may be having on the current conflict, it very likely is, but it is also highly doubtful one side suddenly found religion and its corruption came to a swift end. Common sense I think would suggest that it impact would not only be confined to again, one-side of the equation. And as far as debating the question of degree, that would IMO be like debating how many angels dance on the head of a Javelin rocket. Enough to say, it would be a lot.

As for the individual examples you cite of Russian set-backs, these are on the record and there is no disputing them, but to propose that those events are some manner of barometer of Russian corruption and it being somehow worse than that of Ukraine, fails to also take into account that it is this very same poor Russian showing that now see’s them controlling 20% of Ukraine’s GDP and roughly 20% of the Ukrainian landmass. Giving up a flagship for those kinds of tangible gains appears to be a fair trade-off I would think. And, by that measure shouldn’t we all be thankful that they are as corrupt as we are being led to believe, otherwise might not those figures be even higher?

Ukraine’s GDP to decline by a third in 2022 – the National Bank forecast | Mind.ua

Russia almost fully in control of Donbas province, now holds 20 percent of Ukraine | PBS NewsHour

Finally, it does occur to me that in some establishment quarters, both Left & Right, here in the West, suggesting that; “Public servants must submit asset declarations. They must report their and their family members’ incomes, assets, real estate, valuable property, corporate rights, beneficial ownership of companies, bank accounts, art, fur coats—and even hard cash stocked in closets or deposit boxes.”, might not exactly be viewed so benevolently as being a welcome reform. But hey, I am prepared to be proven wrong and can’t wait to see our own politicians stepping up to the plate...LOL

Cheers !
 
@MOS:96B2P

I’m sorry but I’m not sure that I follow or can subscribe to your suggestion that the examples sited demonstrate anything at all regarding the comparative corruption between the two countries and each others relative success in their attempts to fight it. Particularly as it only speaks to one’s sides reform efforts. That's like only getting one side's score in a baseball game.

I do acknowledge that based on most indexes one can find on-line Russia does regularly rank slightly worse than Ukraine on the who’s who list of most corrupt countries, but then again, isn’t that something akin to pointing out that as far as corrupt gangsters go, Chicago’s Al Capone was somehow way better than New York’s Dutch Schultz. At the end of the day, you’re not likely to want to invite either of them to your sister’s wedding.

And insofar, as the impact this corruption may be having on the current conflict, it very likely is, but it is also highly doubtful one side suddenly found religion and its corruption came to a swift end. Common sense I think would suggest that it impact would not only be confined to again, one-side of the equation. And as far as debating the question of degree, that would IMO be like debating how many angels dance on the head of a Javelin rocket. Enough to say, it would be a lot.

As for the individual examples you cite of Russian set-backs, these are on the record and there is no disputing them, but to propose that those events are some manner of barometer of Russian corruption and it being somehow worse than that of Ukraine, fails to also take into account that it is this very same poor Russian showing that now see’s them controlling 20% of Ukraine’s GDP and roughly 20% of the Ukrainian landmass. Giving up a flagship for those kinds of tangible gains appears to be a fair trade-off I would think. And, by that measure shouldn’t we all be thankful that they are as corrupt as we are being led to believe, otherwise might not those figures be even higher?

Ukraine’s GDP to decline by a third in 2022 – the National Bank forecast | Mind.ua

Russia almost fully in control of Donbas province, now holds 20 percent of Ukraine | PBS NewsHour

Finally, it does occur to me that in some establishment quarters, both Left & Right, here in the West, suggesting that; “Public servants must submit asset declarations. They must report their and their family members’ incomes, assets, real estate, valuable property, corporate rights, beneficial ownership of companies, bank accounts, art, fur coats—and even hard cash stocked in closets or deposit boxes.”, might not exactly be viewed so benevolently as being a welcome reform. But hey, I am prepared to be proven wrong and can’t wait to see our own politicians stepping up to the plate...LOL

Cheers !

Well, you acknowledged the Russian setbacks and that Russia, based on most indexes one can find on-line, does regularly rank slightly worse than Ukraine on the list of most corrupt countries. So maybe we are kind of in agreement. IMO the setbacks and corruption are related.

Systemic corruption rots, weakens, and destroys from within. It is one thing that can explain, at least in part, the Russian setbacks, incompetence, brutality and war crimes. From the surprising defeat of Russian forces on the outskirts of Kyiv, the massacre of civilians in Bucha, looting, the sinking of the Black Sea flagship, Multiple General officers killed, problems with encrypted radios, logistical problems, maintenance problems, some units refusing to fight, failure to achieve air superiority, etc.

Corruption can play a role in all the above. If corruption is not the Russian Federations underlying problem what, in your opinion, is?

On a related note, I wonder if Putin will survive this. In a democracy when things go badly enough a leader generally loses an election. In an authoritarian regime when things go badly enough a leader may lose his life. An interesting question is, what comes after Putin?
 
Well, you acknowledged the Russian setbacks and that Russia, based on most indexes one can find on-line, does regularly rank slightly worse than Ukraine on the list of most corrupt countries. So maybe we are kind of in agreement. IMO the setbacks and corruption are related.

Systemic corruption rots, weakens, and destroys from within. It is one thing that can explain, at least in part, the Russian setbacks, incompetence, brutality and war crimes. From the surprising defeat of Russian forces on the outskirts of Kyiv, the massacre of civilians in Bucha, looting, the sinking of the Black Sea flagship, Multiple General officers killed, problems with encrypted radios, logistical problems, maintenance problems, some units refusing to fight, failure to achieve air superiority, etc.

Corruption can play a role in all the above. If corruption is not the Russian Federations underlying problem what, in your opinion, is?

On a related note, I wonder if Putin will survive this. In a democracy when things go badly enough a leader generally loses an election. In an authoritarian regime when things go badly enough a leader may lose his life. An interesting question is, what comes after Putin?
@MOS:96B2P

Yes, as I have already stipulated, corruption appears to be endemic to that corner of Europe, but again I contend that it would be a mistake IMO to attribute its negative aspects to uniquely just the Russian side of the equation.

As to whether, corruption alone should be attributed to the early set backs you listed, your guess is as good as mine. Although, given the amount of territorial gains Russia has made since those early days, they have either found religion and corruption is no longer a factor, or maybe it was not much of a factor to start with.

Those same set-backs could also have simply been poor strategic and tactical planning in the early stages of the conflict, thus explaining the sacking of the overall General in charge of the operation and subsequent change in Russian fortunes that followed.

After all these set backs are known to happen in war. The British didn’t pack it in when the Hood was sunk, and when just over 6,000 predominantly Canadian soldiers were put ashore in Dieppe during Operation Jubilee and within ten hours, 3,623 of the 6,086 men who landed had been killed, wounded or became POW’s and the RAF lost 106 aircraft against 48 German losses, while the Royal Navy lost 33 landing craft and a destroyer, I do not believe the reason given was the Canadian Army was rife with corruption.

As to Putin’s survival, I’m not sure on what basis you are considering his future political fortunes, but currently amongst the Russian population, his approval rating stands at 83% and 69% of the population think the country is moving in the right direction. Russian forces as I have noted control 20% of Ukraine’s landmass and of its GDP. Russia been raking in more oil income now than it was before the conflict started, the rouble is as strong as it has ever been, their inflation rate is tracking downward from what it was at the start of the conflict and they are currently cutting interests rates, there have not been any reports that they are experiencing any energy or food shortages and the government has said that a general mobilization of the population is not planned.

Meanwhile, here in the West, only 24% of Americans think their country is headed in the right direction. Biden is out trying to curry favour with such flourishing democracies as Venezuela, Iran and Saudi Arabia to have them pump more oil while energy costs are continuing to shoot up in all NATO countries and Europe is confronting a probable energy shortage to heat homes and keep businesses open this coming winter. Meanwhile the head of the EU saying their plan to resolve this is that if it comes to that, will be that Brussels is putting together a plan to decide what business to give natural gas to down the road. Food shortages are starting to pop up, while inflation is also ramping up, as are interest rates, talk of a looming recession is becoming more common in MSM and overall, virtually all Western leaders are viewed unfavourably by their citizens.

Johnson – Great Britain – Approval 27%

Rutte – Netherlands – Approval 29%

Fiala – Czech Republic – Approval 29%

Store – Norway – Approval 30%

Scholz – Germany – Approval 33%

Nehammer – Austria – Approval 34%

Macron – France – Approval 35%

Duda – Poland – Approval 37%

Biden – U.S.A. – Approval 38%

Sanchez – Spain – Approval 38%

Trudeau – Canada – Approval 42%

De Croo – Belgium – Approval 45%

Draghi – Italy – Approval 51%

Andersson – Sweden – Approval 55%

Putin – Russia – Approval 83%

So, bottom line I don’t think Putin is looking over his shoulder as much as his Western counter-parts are.

Sources:

Global Leader Approval Ratings (morningconsult.com)

Putin’s Approval Rating Jumps After Invasion, Poll Shows (wsj.com)

Right Direction or Wrong Track - Rasmussen Reports®

Cheers!
 
I don't think that Russia's Special Operation is as hated by the Russians as we are lead to believe. Russia was also more than ready for the sanctions brought against them and the ruble is still climbing. Side note: I was going to buy into the ruble when it crashed immediately after the start of the war but was talked out of doing so.
 
I don't think that Russia's Special Operation is as hated by the Russians as we are lead to believe. Russia was also more than ready for the sanctions brought against them and the ruble is still climbing.
@Septic Limb

I wonder how many people in the West have even made an effort to listen to Putin's February 24th speech putting forth Russia's case for the actions being taken in Ukraine?

Here's a little parlour game to play when your bored.

Imagine your an average citizen sitting at home watching T.V. and the President of your country comes on and solemnly informs you that your country is now taking military action against another country, and proceeds to lay the rational for that decision. Not all that hard to do is it, we've all been there in our lifetimes for one conflict(s) or another. Now imagine how you felt about your country and the cause it declared it was fighting for, when that was happening.

For me at least, I've found for me to gain a truly better understanding of history and historical events or in fact any contentious situation one might come across, it never hurts to try put yourself in the other persons position to try get some understanding of how might they be perceiving a certain situation or event and maybe some sense of why maybe they are seeing it in a way that greatly differs from my perception. And you can't do that properly if you only rely on some other potentially biased intermediary interpreting & explaining someone else's statements & motives to you. (....err MSM). Yet when there is an opportunity to hear it directly from the horse's mouth so one can make up one's own mind I doubt 10% of the population will even bother.

It is interesting & informative as well to look up Putin's Munich Security Conference speech back in 2007 and then look at current events in the light of what he said back then.

One should not be at all surprised this SMO happened nor why he is not hated by the Russian people.

Cheers !
 
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